Forsaken Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 Info from: http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/m...id=43251#M43251 "Motivation & Goals Overall, the majority feedback we've collected from the boards and elsewhere suggests that combat is currently perceived to resolve too quickly, thus leaving little room for strategic choices or meaningful attacks beyond the standard left-click shot. With the GCW becoming a major factor in our game within the near future, we want to make sure that the core combat system is enjoyable for most players as combat will be a major aspect of the war. The goal of these rule changes is to * Bring strategy back into combat * Decrease default attack speeds to possibly allow for more natural looking animations while at the same time keeping the overall "laser shooting", action-paced feel that combat currently has. * While not immediately part of this change, these changes lend themselves to bringing back the combat log so players can once more track combat in greater detail. * These changes also directly play into the upcoming Expertise system where players will be able to permanently modify some of their combat "variables" by spending points in some of the Expertise trees. A player might increase her chance to land "critical hits" for instance. Read on to get some details about crits and glancing blows at the end of this comlink. Base Combat Changes * Weapon damage will be adjusted upward (this is what we've been calling the "weapon retrofit", i.e. we're retrofitting the weapons for more damage) to account for the damage we are removing from combat caused by being a particular level. Currently a player does most of her damage based on what level she is. This will no longer be the case. * Damage against an unarmored opponent (all non-elite, non-boss npc enemies) is expected to be within a couple of points of the listed weapon damage, barring any damage modifiers the player might have gained from various sources (loot perhaps, or an Expertise for instance). * All actions have 2 timers. An execution timer (during which no other action in the game may be executed, because you are "busy doing something else") and a cooldown timer (during which you cannot perforam that particular action again, but you can perform other actions). This is currently the case in the live game and will continue to remain true. * Currently, primary left click attacks (also know as default attack) have an execute time of 0.25 seconds. After this change, default attacks will have an execute timer of zero (0) but will gain a cooldown timer that is determined by the weapon speed (i.e a weapon that has a 0.4 speed will only be able to shoot the default attack every 0.4 seconds). This change shifts the primary combat strategy from "left click until it dies" to making more meaningful special attack decisions, given various variables in any given combat, since default attacks will not always be available. * As mentioned, default attacks have no execute time. In practice, this means that specials can be executed immediately following or during primary attacks. This will fix the issue of attacks firing visually on the server and in the UI (cooldown starts counting down) but not on the server (you don't actually get healed, for instance). * Considering the control scheme in SWG it will be difficult to execute a variety of specials AND run around at the same time ( movement being the primary left hand responsibility while the right hand is busy aiming with the mouse). This means that moving in combat actually becomes an "action" (conceptually speaking) you take to effect the outcome of a fight (much like executing specials). In other words, a player now chooses whether to stand and fight (increased DPS through more criticals and use of specials) or run around to be harder to hit because of the targeting scheme as well as the increased chance of glancing blows (see below). Running around becomes a defensive action that one does instead of offensively using specials. * AI Creatures will once again change weapons if they have a secondary weapon to switch to. Critical Hits * Attacks now have a chance to be "Critical Hits" that do additional damage in addition to a special effect if you are using a weapon with a heat, cold, electricity or acid elemental damage property. * Critical Hits are indicated to the attacker by differently colored fly text and words such as (Critical Hit) displayed next to the damage caused. * The chance to critical hit is influenced by the Agility and Luck stats at X % for every Y points of each. In addition, there is a bonus to score a critical if you are not moving. Additional modifiers due to posture may be added added if posture use in combat makes a comeback. We'd like to hear your feedback on this, especially. * Critical chance may also be modified by buffs and eventually by the Expertise System. * If the player is using a weapon with one of the aforementioned elemental effects the critical will have an additional effect. Heat criticals set the target on fire for a short period of time, cold criticals snare the target, electrical criticals cause the target to have an increased chance to do a glancing blow attack and acid criticals cause the target to become vulnerable to additional criticals for a short period of time. * Cold, electrical and acid critical secondary effects last for about three seconds. After this time the target is immune to those secondary critical effects for about six seconds. Any criticals scored during that time with a cold, electrical or acid weapon are reduced "normal" criticals that just do increased damage. Glancing Blows * Attacks now have the chance to be "Glancing Blows" which do trivial damage to the target, currently 1/25th of their normal damage. * Glancing Blows are indicated to the attacker by grey fly text with the words (Trivial Hit) displayed next to the damage. * Glancing Blows are indicated to the defender by green fly text with the words "Glancing Blow". * The chance of scoring a glancing blow is modified by the Agility stat at a rate of about X % for every Y points and the Luck stat at the rate of P% for every N points. * A moving attacker using a ranged weapon has an increased chance to be land a glancing blow attack. Additional modifiers due to posture may be added. * Glancing Blow chance may also be modified by buffs and eventually by the Expertise System." I atleast hope they do get that heal thing fixed, it really sucks for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavryk_Dark-Haven Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 looks like a good refinement of what we have, hopefully it works :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Shawkorrr Posted May 6, 2006 Executive Share Posted May 6, 2006 .... I bet they launch that stuff when I am studying, would be typical! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerokTalram Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 .... I bet they launch that stuff when I am studying, would be typical! 11722[/snapback] They are talking about it hitting TC late next week. And it's something they would like in place for the GCW publish. If this happens it will happen this month, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas-quatch Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 man that sounds like an awsome refinement of the combat system, im stoked about this expertise system, and pondering how exactly it will work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Shawkorrr Posted May 6, 2006 Executive Share Posted May 6, 2006 I do like I always do.. "don't think about it, until it is here (gone live/launched)" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikeek Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 The new specilization sounds to me exactly how it is in WOW. For every level you get you recieve a point to put in any of 3 trees of your choice (this may be somewhat different but similar). I'm glad to see diversity returning to the game. The system works fairly well, however still doesn't leave as much leyway for people to make truely individual proffesions. I despritly want a combat log back. Fixing the miss-fire heals would be nice too. Everything sounds fairly good. Lets just hope they can pull it together into something worthy of going live. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunky Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 It sounds like they are slowly coming around full circle...bringing back some of the stuff that was abruptly taken with the nge is finding it's way back into the game. :H5: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yva Xorna Posted May 7, 2006 Share Posted May 7, 2006 oh goody :) But then, I thought the CU sounded good on paper and jebus how I hated that when it came into being. Still, this sound GOOD :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavryk_Dark-Haven Posted May 7, 2006 Share Posted May 7, 2006 oh goody :) But then, I thought the CU sounded good on paper and jebus how I hated that when it came into being. Still, this sound GOOD :) 11753[/snapback] The only thing i liked about the CU was the Chance to respec, before then i hadnt got a single profession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerokTalram Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 It sounds like they are slowly coming around full circle...bringing back some of the stuff that was abruptly taken with the nge is finding it's way back into the game. :H5: 11742[/snapback] I think the problem was they made the game too complicated to manage properly. NGE was a redo of the basic combat mechanics. Now that they have that some what worked out and simplified, they are ready to add back in some stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas-quatch Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 I think the problem was they made the game too complicated to manage properly. NGE was a redo of the basic combat mechanics. Now that they have that some what worked out and simplified, they are ready to add back in some stuff. 11783[/snapback] this is howi m looking at it. it might be stressful but i bet by the end of the year, we will have the game(at least id like to hope) that we all want. Or at least a semblence thereof. /ponder its a thought anyhow. now, who thinks they should bring wounding back into the game muwahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Founder Astrus Posted May 9, 2006 Founder Share Posted May 9, 2006 I think the problem was they made the game too complicated to manage properly. NGE was a redo of the basic combat mechanics. Now that they have that some what worked out and simplified, they are ready to add back in some stuff. 11783[/snapback] Bingo!... The thing is now the game is too dumbed down for hardcore MMO'ers to have a full MONTHS worth to do in game anymore. :wrong: At least you could redo your profession when you got super bored to try out new things pre-NGE. <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavryk_Dark-Haven Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 Well thats what they were saying when the NGE was released... There was too many bugs and problems so they were going to simplify it and start from the ground up again... lately they have only been tweaking the "core" game. Can't wait to they start "Complicating" (in a good way) the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Founder Astrus Posted May 9, 2006 Founder Share Posted May 9, 2006 Well thats what they were saying when the NGE was released... There was too many bugs and problems so they were going to simplify it and start from the ground up again... lately they have only been tweaking the "core" game. Can't wait to they start "Complicating" (in a good way) the game. 11848[/snapback] well in the mean time while they are tweaking and BS....they REALLY need to hand us another expansion. lol...that would please me :H5: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Shawkorrr Posted May 9, 2006 Executive Share Posted May 9, 2006 (edited) /sign Hoth with new winterclothing, and wooks will get "snow" of their fur :dance: Edited May 9, 2006 by Shawkorrr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edaun Ifor Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 /sign Hoth with new winterclothing, and wooks will get "snow" of their fur :dance: 11855[/snapback] Like Chewbacca when Han shot the Probot.. Sweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Shawkorrr Posted May 9, 2006 Executive Share Posted May 9, 2006 Like Chewbacca when Han shot the Probot.. Sweet. 11881[/snapback] Exactly! :H5: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavryk_Dark-Haven Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Nah id like somewhere where we can build again. and something that isnt instanced everywhere... the current planets are over crowded with ambandoned buildings/cities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edaun Ifor Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Though Nar Shadaa or Coruscant would be interesting...If you had the bandwidth.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Shawkorrr Posted May 10, 2006 Executive Share Posted May 10, 2006 Though Nar Shadaa or Coruscant would be interesting...If you had the bandwidth.. 11912[/snapback] lol, Nar Shadaa ... and they could make Hutts playable :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavryk_Dark-Haven Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 lol, Nar Shadaa ... and they could make Hutts playable :P 11915[/snapback] Lol that would make your game wouldnt it... if the send out a NGE2 that makes you only one profession. with only one special. As long as your a Hutt you wouldnt care :ROFL: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Shawkorrr Posted May 10, 2006 Executive Share Posted May 10, 2006 Lol that would make your game wouldnt it... if the send out a NGE2 that makes you only one profession. with only one special. As long as your a Hutt you wouldnt care :ROFL: 11916[/snapback] I would have been a Hutt 24/7 if that ever happened, not caring if he walks slowly like a snail with a massive house on its back. Though I could use my Huttfloater ;) I could even have a 24/7 bounty on me. Hutts are loveable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edaun Ifor Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 I would have been a Hutt 24/7 if that ever happened, not caring if he walks slowly like a snail with a massive house on its back. Though I could use my Huttfloater ;) I could even have a 24/7 bounty on me. Hutts are loveable! 11918[/snapback] Just be glad the Hutts don't give lapdances. ugh. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavryk_Dark-Haven Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 you wouldnt have a lap anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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